For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. WebTwin Cities Baptist Church Independent, Fundamental, Baptist work dedicated to the edification of the believer and spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ for the Glory of God. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. Over the course of 2 1/2 months, I publicly shared more about the days I spent torn between legalism and grace. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. The Star-Telegram counted 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and affiliated institutions that had been affected by sexual abuse allegations. Other Anabaptists groups were in gross error and corrupted. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. 401 S. Howell St., Chattanooga, TN 37412. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. I cannot judge this man. Im really not sure how we didnt die. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. Im sorry to hear that the experience has affected your relationship to an extent as well. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! I wanted something different. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. Here goes: My roots are in the IFB; my parents came from a relatively benign form of the movement, but even there the harmful effects were latent. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. You are correct, I was surprised. Here we began the healing process which is at times painful. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). Each week, families are strengthened, encouraged, and drawn closer to God as we worship together and are challenged to live for Christ in a sin-darkened world. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. I even told him last night I dont love him like I used to. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. Not just the New Testament. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Leaving Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. I know some will hate me, and that's fine. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. I cannot know. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. Part 2: Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. I usually look fwd to these. Im here to tell you, however, that the confusion you have is due to the IFBs retention and manipulation tactics. Total. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. I dont like dressing up. Remember BJ, God is Almighty. Along with pioneer missionary William Carey, we believe The future is as bright as the promises of God!, Greater Portland Baptist Church is committed to making a difference in Portland and around the world. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. And Im hopeful that sharing my story can help some of these people maybe someone reading this right now find their way into grace. No, you arent crazy. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. We are so happy that we left the IFB cult and our relationship with Christ is so much more genuine and heartfelt. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. We use our monetary resources alone. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? 5) shun folks that have left the church Church This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. Jesus statement to the Pharisees about tithing would not apply to you because you are not a Jew under the Mosaic Law. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. I hope you come back to comment more. After Jesus preached, He then told Simon to launch out into the deep for a great haul of fish. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. A New Generation of Independent Baptists: An Open Letter The first time I listened to the RFP 3 years ago, I met it with skepticism. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. If a Millennial wants a non-denominational, evangelical WebA podcast for ex-IFB church members, and others who have been affected by Christian Fundamentalism to hear stories, commentary, and comedy about the Independent Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. finding healing and freedom in secular music, I will keep believing that God still has a plan, Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant, Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life, forget where you should be and give God your ugly, When your church isnt meeting your needs, when your spiritual journey doesnt look like his, There are no entry level positions with God, Sitting on the premises sometimes, its okay not to serve, You are God, You are God, Of all else Im letting go!, My motivation: chosen, holy, and dearly loved, what grace is not: the pendulum and sinning that grace may abound, From legalism into grace: one mans story, Grace in the wilderness: the blessings of legalism, Grace: How a Recovering Legalist Moves Forward in Faith, this #whitespace is a mighty work because Im moving a mountain | Beautiful In His Time, some self-observations about legalism {and introduction to a new blog series} | Beautiful In His Time, what is legalism? Overview of the IFB Church Independent Fundamental Baptist Trying to hold onto a past I knew was unfulfilling, but too scared to embrace a future of grace. Also, name of church, you preach at. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Like you I often had the same questions, wondering if I was really serving God or even really saved. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Blessings. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. John 10:10, Serious question for those who've had the joy of being forced to grow up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist church which, if you've left it, you know how cultish they are. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. I really have an issue with this point. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. I made a profession at the age of 6 because thats what everyone else was doing. John Shore I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. Its nothing personal, just logic. You will not regret it. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Love and enjoy your family! Tithing preceded the OT Law. He was totally unapproachable on any personal issues. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. I felt distant from God because I wasnt obeying their standards, like going to every service (three times a week), I wear pants, I wasnt there every time the doors were opened, things like that. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. This was because of frequent prompting from the pulpit: Did I say the right thing, did I pray the right prayer, did I really, really, really mean it this time etc. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. Well said!!! First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Pastor Scott McFeters grew up in the ministry of GPBC, was saved while in this church, was discipled, and surrendered to follow the leading of the Lord in this ministry. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. Really!! But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does.